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Are you disappointed the Patriots didn’t sign Michael Vick?

Jon_Scott


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Jon_Scott said the following @ 08/14/2009, 3:44pm

Am I disappointed?  A little. I would have liked to see what the Patriots could do with a talent like Vick’s.  In reality, all selfish reasons aside, I believe the Patriots are better off without Vick.



The Commissioner stated that he would decide when to reinstate Vick by the sixth game of the regular season.  Vick’s deal is for $1.6 million the first year, with a $5 million option for year two and $3 million in incentives. That’s up to $9.6 million for what might be just a little more than a season and a half of football with Vick under contract.



Assuming the option is picked up and Vick earns half of the incentives, you’re talking about paying the guy $4 million per season to be a part-time or role player. Think about it this way, Vick would earn more than Wes Welker is set to make.



Sorry, I’d take Welker combined with Brady every time. As exciting as Vick could be, the attention the team would need to pay to building a game plan with him in it, would detract from what the team does best -- let Brady run the offense.


nepatriotsdraft


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nepatriotsdraft said the following @ 08/14/2009, 4:06pm

While I agree with Jon that the Welker/Brady combination is better than Michael Vick will ever be, I am very disappointed that the Patriots couldn't find a way to land the former Hokie standout.


The second year of the contract is pretty meaningless to me, as all signs point to an uncapped year being a distinct possibility.  The $1.6 million "show me" first year is a pretty good value considering the heights that Vick has achieved.


Vick's 6-game suspension would be a godsend for the Patriots and for Vick himself.  It would give him an opportunity to acquaint himself with the playbook, as well as give the coaching staff time to figure out how to utilize his talents more effectively.


It remains to be seen whether Vick will be effective in a Non-QB situation, but I shudder to think of what could have happened with Randy Moss and Wes Welker looking in from the hash marks as Tom Brady takes the snap with Michael Vick by his side. 


We'll never know...

Jon_Scott said the following @ 08/15/2009, 10:30am

It’s hard to argue that Vick in the Patriots offense wouldn’t be intriguing, and I’m not about to do that.  I think that the question of being disappointed in his not being a Patriot has to ultimately come down to personal choice. For me, it comes down to a choice of being entertained by a remarkable athlete vs being entertained by remarkable athletes who haven’t done unspeakable things to animals. 









My preference – and I’d guess it’s shared by others – is to follow football for the enjoyment of the game without the dark element. It’s about wanting to see people you can believe in do well.  It’s about supporting something I believe in and people I can feel good about..



I can’t get there with Mike Vick.  I think it was his complete lack of remorse in the face of the allegations (see above) that turned me off. His demeanor when others questioned him about his actions spoke volumes of his personality and his character.



Yes people can change. And yes people deserve a second chance. But I’m not convinced that can happen when you get paid millions of dollars to play a sport.  Mike Vick expressed remorse AFTER he had everything taken away from him.  Would he still feel the same way if he were to receive probation, or a lighter sentence?  Maybe, but I doubt it.



People tend to forget, Vick had plenty of character issues before the dogfighting problems, including this lovely incident where he flipped off Falcon fans. (see photo)


I just can’t picture a guy like that in New England, regardless of how much he’s repented and promises not to disappoint his supporters.


There are other players who can do similar things as Mike Vick (Julian Edelman). It's much easier to cheer for a guy like Edelman than Vick, and you don't have to feel like you've compromised you rmoral fiber in the name of the game to do it.


The decision by the Patriots not to add Vick to the roster shows that family values still matter.

 

nepatriotsdraft said the following @ 08/15/2009, 4:06pm

While I agree that what Michael Vick did was reprehensible, the man has paid his debt to society.  He served his time and now deserves a chance to make good on his promises.


If the Patriots are going to take a harsh view on people's past actions, we better get rid of this guy:



But the Patriots felt that what Moss did was in the past.  He bumped a cop, he smoked dope, and burned bridges in two NFL cities.  To my knowledge, Moss never has expressed any remorse either.


He hasn't done any of that here in New England, and neither has Michael Vick.


The first time that Vick would have set off the musketfire in Gillette stadium, all would have been forgiven.

Jon_Scott said the following @ 08/15/2009, 6:51pm

Are you seriously comparing Mike Vick to Randy Moss?


Say it ain’t so.


Sure Moss had issues, no one can deny that.  Moss also made a point of going out of his way to be good to kids.  He was hardly in Vick’s league even with the faux moon in Green Bay.


Worse, Vick’s sins are long and egregious.  He’s a convicted felon who did such reprehensible things that it’s hard to believe he can be repentant for all of it.


This isn’t a case of minor issues we’re talking about.  Vick did 18 months of hard time in Federal Prison.  Moss’s actions weren’t even a speed bump on the road that Vick paved.


Read the list of findings in Vick’s case and you’ll get a good idea why so many people are violently opposed to his return to the NFL.


THEN THERE"S THIS:


What makes me wonder is the NFL’s decision to start marketing Michael Vick youth jersey’s (VICK JERSEYbefore the guy does anything to redeem himself publicly as an Eagle.


That’s ridiculous. They're selling his stuff to KIDS!


Who thought THAT was a good idea?


Even the Eagles are concerned about image. They're already taking Corporate sponsors off their website because of the Vick backlash.  Yet the NFL is ready to cash in on the move. ..  Wow.


With all that being said. I’d like to see Mike Vick the football player if he can be a separate person from the one who was convicted of such heinous crimes.  Unfortunately, Vick can’t be separated.  He’s done some every bad things.  And on his way to prison he still didn’t realize what he did wrong.


One look at this should have clued him in.



You think he’s changed? Good luck with that. I’m willing to bet he relapses once the money’s gone. 


As a Patriots fan, do you really want this guy in New England’s record/history books?


Thanks, but I'd rather see Tom Brady, Wes Welker, Tedy Bruschi and others win or lose, I don't need a Mike Vick fix to want to watch the Patriots 


So what I'm saying is no, I'm not really disappointed he's not here.

 

nepatriotsdraft said the following @ 08/15/2009, 8:30pm

Jon, I have no idea whether he has changed or not.  Only Michael Vick knows that for sure. Nor am I supporting what the NFL is doing trying to cash in on the move - that has nothing to do with Vick, only the NFL's emphasis on making a buck.


What I would have supported was signing Mike Vick to a team-friendly deal that the Patriots could have easily gotten out of if Vick shows that his 18 months in the clink didn't fully rehabilitate him.


In no way was I comparing Vick to Moss, only showing that if you apply your logic too broadly, guys that can still be a productive citizen of the NFL get left out in the rain.


If we could just sign Vick the football player, there wouldn't be an argument here.  We can't, and that is what makes this interesting.  I still feel that the reward of a rehab'd Vick contributing to the Patriots outweighs the risks. 


If Vick screws up again, he's gone.  It's on him, not on Kraft and Belichick.  The media of course wouldn't see it that way, but since when do the Patriots care what the media thinks?



nepatriotsdraft wins the slugfest!

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patriotgirl posted @ 08/15/2009, 4:58pm

Vick would have made the Patriots the best offense ever. He made a mistake but he paid for it. Go PATS!

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